Monday, October 08, 2007

The hate-infused universe of Geoff Pahoff

I see that the hate-stuff directed against me by Geoff Pahoff continues over at Harry Heidelberg’s Club Chaos.

I think next Pahoff could maybe get a pic of me, texta in a funny little Hitler moustache, and get Harry to post that. Any more ideas for juvenile slime capers? — please submit to Pahoff c/o Harry’s.

The really pathetic thing is that all this hate-stuff of Pahoff’s has come from my having repeatedly shown him up to be full of shit on Webdiary, perhaps well over a year ago now.

But that wasn’t the worst of it, ooh no.

Then Pahoff’s primary hate-object of the time said something nice to me about my analysis.

But that wasn’t the worst of it, ooh no.

I then said something civil in acknowledgement to Pahoff’s hate-object.

Any sane person would regard such an exchange as merely part of the rich tapestry of life in the blogosphere. But in Pahoff’s hate-infused mind, this sort of exchange, between those he seems to regard as his mortal enemies, becomes evidence of ‘intercepting’ and ‘shepherding’ operations by the forces of evil.

In Pahoff’s hate-infused universe, you’re either with him or against him. After long experience, it seems to me that about the only thing Pahoff can do with any conviction or purpose is to hate. It seems to exude from his pores, then erupts rather frequently in streams of bile.

Well, that brief exchange, so long ago now, seems to have sent Pahoff into an apoplexy from which he’s never recovered. I have to admit I’ve enjoyed watching some of it, and have even deliberately done a number of things to set him off.

Anyway, I could go back to Harry’s place (yet again) to put my views about all this, but why bother? It’s gotta end somewhere.

It ends here.


Blogger Caz said...

If you want to hang out at CC, you should.

If by hanging out at CC it constantly turns into a fist fight, then it's a bit of a bother. Nothing enjoyable for you in that.

9/10/07 11:07 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

I guess the thing about it is that if the blog's owner doesn't want me around, then I'm not going to make a pest of myself.

Aside from that, of course, I'm not particularly fussed how the other guests there feel.

Anyway, I did say I was "outta there" for *ahem* stated reasons, so it's good a reason as any to quit that scene.

9/10/07 11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Harry said he didn't want you around Jacob. From memory you said you were outta there and he said suit yourself.

As for Geoff claiming you called him a racist the only (recent) post I could find was the one that said:

"They support the degenerate political and social cultures that enslaved and butchered these people, and with breathtaking hypocrisy, call critics of these evil degenerate regimes 'racist'.

There is a classic example of this type on this thread."

For mine that doesn't read as though YOU have called him racist or that anyone has actually called him that, but that he identifies you with a group that does use that "tactic" to try and silence those they disagree with. I doubt you can deny that such a "group" exists.

Of course some people just rub each other up the wrong way, and perhaps there's more history to this then I know. Whatever.


9/10/07 6:08 PM  
Anonymous AB Knox said...

Haven't being following this stuff closely but I think it's very clear that the only hate stuff around here is being spewed by you on Pahoff. Pahoff has been having fun with his parody songs and so on and that really gets up your nose.

I remember some of those exchanges you had with Pahof at WD a while back. If you honestly think that it was you who got the better of him then it is you who is truly pathetic.

9/10/07 8:13 PM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

The only person I have ever banned was Rowley. The only other people I have thought of banning were in fact Geoff Pahoff and that dots and dashes guy.

As for the departure thing, you guys made it clear why you wanted to leave.

I have generally made it my policy to neither discourage nor encourage people to leave or stay. They make up their own minds.

As you may have noticed, I have never sought to win a popularity contest.

At some stage, anyone who has raised the topic of politics has been abused by me.

That's what I do. Sometimes I have apologised for excess, sometimes I haven't.

I believe I partially apologised for that outburst that so offended and then partially withdrew it.

In the end it's only a blog.

Father Park did everything of his own accord. He still has author status.

I would finally add that it has been mainly Father Park, not I, who have added Pahoff pix.

Geoff can turn on a dime. I suppose I can as well.

After so many years of this crap, I know the various personalities and how they act.

The blog has to live naturally or not at all. I will make zero effort to resurect it.

Club Chaos rest in peace?

Perhaps. I could not care if it stays in a coma indefinitely.

I am sure I can find other places to fight about politics in the meantime.

If Dylan, Justin etc visit the corpse of CC from time to time, I will stay in touch with them.

9/10/07 8:15 PM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

There is something quite amusing about all of this.

We go off Club Chaos to discuss Club Chaos.

It is sort of like how people who were out of sorts with Webdiary would go off Webdiary to talk about it.

Speaking of such matters, check out Lataan's blog. Trouble at the mill. Rowley is pretty pissed off about being banned from Webdiary.

Think about it though. He's consorting with Lataan because both think Webdiay consorts with the right.

Nutty stuff, eh?

I'm not getting involved though. I did make a brief comment on Lataan's blog and made a hasty retreat.

I want no part of their madness.

Rowley is trying to reslove his broken relationships with Webdiary by issuing threats and calling people liars! How's that for a dispute resolution process? He basically says that unless Webdiary does what he wants, he will write bad things. That's a threat isn't it? How could you call that dispute resolution.

Anyway as I say, I want no part of it. I will not comment further.

That said, I thought you guys may be interested in this little update.

It's like a school reunion.

Like I wonder what old so and so is up to?

I wonder what the various freaks of the blogosphere are up to?

I even check out Jolanda now and then.

She left my blog never to return becuase she said I used her as a toy.

She's still goes off on her own blog though.

9/10/07 8:33 PM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

More history to this than you know, TonyP? Gee, ya reckon?

I went back to Harry's to challenge Pahoff on the following he'd said to Father Park over at Caz/Ck's Avatar Briefs:

I think it's bloody obvious who I was referring to. The asshole who called me a racist a few minutes earlier by twisting a description I made of a degenerate political culture to refer to a "whole people". Not for the first time. It's there for all to see.

Take a look. and then deny what I was clearly on about.

You don't like being called a racist by some shallow dickhead? I don't blame you. Nor do I. At least your dickhead was drunk. And apologised, sort of.

The words of Pahoff's I had referred to were "degenerate civilization". I had not referred to that statement as "racist" but earlier had described it as "hatespeak". Which is a fair call. So who's "twisting" things here, huh?

AB Knox, if you think Joffa got "the better of me" on those WD threads, then you must be really shallow, or otherwise challenged somehow. Just on one performance alone, your fun-loving hero

* Linked as "evidence" to a site that endorsed what he himself later decried as a racist site.

* When I pulled that racist stuff apart, he censured me for linking to a racist site.

* Accused me of making statements I never made.

* Sulkily refused to even consider pertinent information proffered that challenged his nasty assumptions.

I could go on but I can't be stuffed.

Now, AB, if you're impressed with that kind of shit, then you plead my case eloquently.

Anyway, as TonyP so eloquently said: Whatever.

I certainly don't have any illusions about persuading Pahoff's little fellow travellers.

Yes, Harry, I certainly can see that element of comedy in all this. All the best, old chap.

9/10/07 8:55 PM  
Anonymous ab knox said...

Yeah I remember that. You linked some extremist racist site and claimed it was mainstream Israeli. Pahoff pointed out it was a racist site about as representative as the KKK. you went into a rage about being made to look like a goose and found that it linked a site that linked a site that linked ... at that point you lost your audience

jacob I don't remember you making any points at all during those threads. It is clear that payhoff's knowledge of these subjects makes you look pathetic. You were reduced to heaping personal abuse and playing on twists in the language to find a little wriggle room

BTW accusing someone of calling "a whole people" degenerate, sure sounds like an allegation of racism to me. As pahof has never said this, it's a false allegation at that

9/10/07 10:51 PM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

Gee, AB Knox, you profess such intimate knowledge of that long-ago thread.

Having earlier said that you "haven't being following this stuff closely".

And incredibly all that stuff you say about my supposedly not "making any points", "heaping personal abuse", "playing on twists in the language", etc., precisely describes Joffa's performance on that matter.

This is spooky. Your nonsense sounds uncannily like the standard Pahoff tilt at projecting his own flaws on other people.

One wonders what further feats of memory you'll next lay on this thread?

But don't you recall my "point" about the sniper towers and underground tunnels attached to that 'settlement', as detailed in that Human Rights Watch report?

And my devastating critique (titled "Beyond the Grassy Knoll") of the offensive material that was endorsed by the web page originally cited by Joffa?

Well, AB, if you like I can do a post on all that to jog your otherwise prodigious memory. As you'll undoubtedly recall, it was Will Howard's "Repeal of Israel" thread. It won't be at all difficult to find.

As for the equation of a "whole people" with a "civilization", people can make their own judgements about that. I've made mine.

9/10/07 11:33 PM  
Anonymous Dylan said...

All I can say is that I am impressed that ab can spell Geoff's name three different ways - Pahoff, Payoff, Pahof - in a single comment.

Great work, ab knox/knocks/nox.

10/10/07 12:01 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

Good grief, Dylan, hardly noticed those 'errors'.

Quite uncanny for such an adoring Pahoff fan...

Guess we'll just have to put it down to that 'rich tapestry' of the blogosphere. Again.

10/10/07 12:26 AM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

In the spirit of all the crap of the blogosphere, who do we think AB is?

What is the identity of this mystery person?

Geoff said some where he doesn't read my drunken rants.

I rarely read his stuff either.

I certainly never read the tit for tat Lataan garbage. I only ever read certain comments from certain people on Club Chaos when it existed.

Of course it no longer exists because everyone left it and showed up here.

10/10/07 6:17 AM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

Is it like Macbeth, "the lady doth protest too much".

The inability to spell the name could well be deliberate.

We should set one of those mad identity investigators from you know where onto it.

In lots of ways I couldn't care less who it is.

It's either Pahoff or an ally and either way it is all the same thing.

10/10/07 6:21 AM  
Anonymous ab said...

"You can't be stuffed with it anyway. A pic here, a superficial rant there. Park posts something with meat, and you shit your trousers.

"Oh, the sky has fallen in, close the blog.


Posted by: Jacob | Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 08:20

"'Relentless attacks'??? Oh, get a fucking grip.

"You have people here who slander whole people as "degenerate" but don't raise an eyebrow.

"Fuck off with your preciuous blog.

Posted by: Jacob | Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 08:15

If that's not an allegation of racism what is?

And yes jacob I remember the site you linked. Afterall you did go on and on and on about it.

And do provide the links to your other claims. This should be fun

10/10/07 7:01 AM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...

Geoff just posted on my blog.

It's now uber territorial since Father Park decided to depart, taking with him Jacob and others and causing the original Club Chaos to implode.

Goeff has to post on my blog for territorial reasons so you will have to read that over there.

You have to post on this blog for territorial reasons so you have to post over here.

It's like a troupe of chimps. It really is.

Chimp City

10/10/07 7:30 AM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Look, Pahoff/Noxious, or whoever you are, you moron. I don't do 'debate' with sockpuppets. "Please provide links" to support your own stupid slimy claims.

The more Joffa squirms to defend his 'integrity', the deeper he gets himself into shit.

Quite right, Harry. Chimp City.

Anyone who has anything to do with raging loons like Geoff Pahoff becomes an honorary citizen. Time to make a bee-line for the city limits and beyond.

Don't worry about club chaos, it'll make a comeback, as it always has.

10/10/07 8:13 AM  
Anonymous AB said...

"The words of Pahoff's I had referred to were "degenerate civilization"."

Oh do tell, jacob. Where? You wouldn't being making this up would you?

10/10/07 9:46 AM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

"Making this up", Joffa? Not at all.

But that was only from memory.

Your precise words were:

"degenerate human civilisation"

Anything else, Mister Slime?

If not, then fuck off.

10/10/07 10:02 AM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Oddly enough, there was an AJ Nock posting at Harry's a while back, e.g., here.

Is that who you're trying to impersonate, Joffa?

10/10/07 10:08 AM  
Anonymous ab said...

Geoff: "it is worth remembering.."

Geoff, I agree with all your asterisked points, and your point about what is happening in Iraq and Gaza right now. I agree that although it's not looking good right now, there's still a chance for a decent outcome in Iraq. And we can't just leave the place now. I'm a firm believer in the Colin Powell "You-break-it-you-own-it" principle. And "we" (at least the COTW nations) own Iraq now.

We do have a deadly enemy in the forces of radical Islamism. It's just a question of figuring the best way to fight these death cults. Invading Iraq and tying up a huge proportion of our military resources occupying the place is not IMHO the best way. The leaders of Western nations engaged in this confrontation have not figured it out yet (this includes the US, Oz, UK, Israel, etc.). I wish I had the answer but I don't think they are even asking the right questions.

Posted by: Will Howard | Monday, June 18, 2007 at 13:32

One thing is also for sure, since the return of Margo, webdiary looks a lot different. It has improved and I give credit where it is due.

Posted by: Jay White | Monday, June 18, 2007 at 12:51

One thing is for sure, because of Iraq, rightly or wrongly, the world will look a lot different in ten years and onward.

Posted by: Jay White | Monday, June 18, 2007 at 12:49

The history of this fiasco is yet to be written and nobody can be certain how it will end. It could be far worse than we imagine. That is why it is so important to focus on the here and now.

That said, it is worth remembering:

*Just about everybody honestly thought Saddam had WMD's. With good reason. I still believe it would have been only a brief matter of time after sanctions had finally collapsed.

*The UN sanctions were in an advanced state of decay. Corruption was just the start of it. France and much of Europe were behaving like the pigs they are.

*The campaign to lift the sanctions was growing stronger. France. Russia. The "Left". Remember the 200,000 children killed? Or was it more? Remember that prick Galloway? How could anybody forget.

Sure Iraq is a dangerous mess. Don't get me started on how badly it has been handled. But getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, and the unspeakably brutal cesspit the place is should at least inform us of how ugly and determined the enemy is. Always has been. Watching how they behave in Iraq, Gaza and elsewhere and I conclude that this is the product of a perverted political and social culture. A degenerate human civilisation off the rails and heading for oblivion, but of immense danger to humankind in the meantime. Hardly the first one.

But hey, that's just me.

Posted by: Geoff Pahoff | Monday, June 18, 2007 at 12:20

10/10/07 10:46 AM  
Anonymous ab said...

To emphasis the comment in the context provided above:

Sure Iraq is a dangerous mess. Don't get me started on how badly it has been handled. But getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, and the unspeakably brutal cesspit the place is should at least inform us of how ugly and
determined the enemy is. Always s been. Watching how they behave in Iraq, Gaza and elsewhere and I conclude that this is the product of a perverted political and social culture. A degenerate human civilisation off the rails and heading for oblivion, but of immense danger to humankind in the meantime. Hardly the first one.

10/10/07 10:49 AM  
Anonymous ab said...

And from this, jacob , who did not take part in the exchange at the time, claims four months later this comment amounts to calling a whole people degenerate. In other words racism. Or "hatetalk".

Is there anyone left who can take anything this guy says seriously ever again?

10/10/07 10:54 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...




Do you ever think through what you say?

10/10/07 11:22 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...


Oddly enough, there was an AJ Nock posting at Harry's a while back, e.g., here.

Is that who you were trying to impersonate, Joffa?

10/10/07 11:28 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

By the way, Guff, your definitions of "racism" and "hatetalk" need a little work, too.

The two are not identical.

For example, Gruff, when you slimed me at Harry's place with your sick fantasy about me licking Ross's arse.

That was "hatetalk".

But it wasn't "racism".

The only person who's mentioned "racism" in the context of your "degenerate human civilisation" remark, Goof, has been yourself.

10/10/07 1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shotgun Stam

I’ve sucked down a dungy deal of dirt through out my worthless life
With all my grand accomplishments I couldn't tell left from right,
The thing I most excel in is shepherding the fascist to the fight,
A noise all over the 'net for sure, but ne'er an honest opinion in my own name.

For Shotgun Stam is my name, Rooting for the bullies is my game
For sucking up islamofascist lies, any degenerate regime will do,
Shotgun Stam is my name, pissing on democracies is my game
Good enough for Damo, Dork and all of them boys, and you can bet for sure you know Roslyn Ross too.

The way I gain’d my title’s by a hobby which I’ve got,
Of never letting a critic of my nazi mates pass without a shot,
Whosoever thinks for themselves are treated all the same;
You don't like terrorists, tyants, slavers and the filthy stew that spawns them?
I've got nothing to say to you, you filthy racist slime.

For Shotgun Stam is my name, Rooting for the bullies is my game
For sucking up islamofascist lies, any degenerate regime will do,
Shotgun Stam is my name, pissing on democracies is my game
Good enough for Damo, Dork and all of them boys, and you can bet for sure you know Roslyn Ross too.

10/10/07 1:51 PM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

Gee, I wonder who that could've been?


Oddly enough, there was an AJ Nock posting at Harry's a while back, e.g., here.

Is that who you were trying to impersonate, Joffa?

10/10/07 2:01 PM  
Anonymous Dylan said...

AJ Nock?

10/10/07 3:27 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Well spotted, Dylan. That's part of a mystery solved.

10/10/07 5:15 PM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

What's with all the weird cutting and pasting of threads from Webdiary?

It is being done on my blog too.

It all seems somewhat obsessive to me.

Chimp City.

10/10/07 6:52 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Just another form of territorial pissings, Harry.

Anyway, I think those copy-pastes here above are from your blog. You get the Webdiary.

At least we can be fairly certain that Guff's finally found the 'Copy Button'.

10/10/07 7:10 PM  
Anonymous Harry Heideleberg said...

I'm such a lazy old bastard!

1. I never read things cut and paste from other blogs;

2. I rarely follow links to source material;

3. I never follow links to history on the same blog;

4. I am not a Google slut. I do not Google things in order to satisfy someone else.

In a funny way I have my own little Chimp City in operation. I think Chimps would be interested in cognitive economy. When there is too much information or information deemed irrelevant, then there is no point in dealing with it.

It just gets put to one side like the superflous banana.

10/10/07 8:20 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

David Davis, how about you explain why say one minute that you don't want to deal yourself into the issue and then flash over here moments later to deal yourself back in (thinking it was behind my back or something)?

10/10/07 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

By the way, having now read the rest of the what is written here, I've a hunch (really it is just gut feel) that "ab knox" is most likely to be a sockpuppet brought to you by Geoff Pahoff.

10/10/07 8:50 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

By the way, having now read the rest of what is written here, I've a hunch (really it is just gut feel) that "ab knox" is most likely to be a sockpuppet brought to you by Geoff Pahoff.

10/10/07 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

It's been glaringly obvious since about comment #10 onwards that Geoff Pahoff used the AB Knox identity to troll this thread. A piece of work that hasn't surprised me one little bit.

10/10/07 9:14 PM  
Anonymous Harry heidelberg said...

Craig Rowley, how about you explain why you are such an idiot and why this is the consensus view? You silly little man, still hanging around the internet after all these years and for what? You just bring misery to people who have to deal with you.

Do something behind your back? You must be joking! Ha ha ha! I know how obsessive you are and know you would be religiously checking any blog that could have anything to do with anything!

If nothing else, you are extraordinarily thorough. I would never under estimate you in that regard. Or then again, I could just call it plain old obsessive and nutty which is how I really see you.

Why don't you take up some useful habit like knitting? The only ally you have seems to be Lataan and that says a lot.

Kind regards,

David Davis (as you are so fond of calling me - ya never really got the Harry name did ya? Everyone else liked it but you!)

10/10/07 9:34 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

Gee ... who would have expected a ranting retort like that from David Davis?

10/10/07 9:49 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

Watch for the predictable pandering notes of support from Pahoff, Jacob. As predictable as the monthly mention of GLW, Pilger, etc from Chris Parsons. If only rainclouds were so reliable.

10/10/07 9:53 PM  
Anonymous Harry heidelberg said...

Craig Rowley, Only a "hunch" on guessing that identity? Don't be so modest! You are an Internet Special Agent Identity Investigator. Normally you would never deal in "hunches" over your central speciality of identity investigation. Over the years you have made it your mission to sniff out who is really who on the internet. You mostly get it wrong but it is certainly your special interest topic. It's a fools errand but naturally one you'd be prepared to run. Most people could not care less who is who and are far more interested in the content of the comments. For you though, identity has always been central. Interesting.

Kind regards,

David Davis
(aka Harry Heidelberg)

* I put both names forward so as not to throw you into mad identity crisis mode.

ps I have never been able to figure out why you don't do your own blog. At least you'd be welcome on it and you could do the rules you cherish so much without fear of them being misinterpreted.

10/10/07 9:57 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Rant, Craig?

Curt perhaps, as was yours to Harry.

But you were expecting what precisely, considering everything?

Oh well, the title of this thread is 'hate-infused'. If people all over the world could just post all their little hates in this one thread, oh wouldn't it be loverly.

10/10/07 9:57 PM  
Anonymous Harry heidelberg said...

hahhaha Chris Parsons.

Your nemesis!

Tee hee.

10/10/07 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Harry heidelberg said...

Oh yeah, it's a rant and no doubt it is some sort of defamation and all the rest of it.

The master of the overstatement.

Such a clown.

10/10/07 10:01 PM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

Jacob, it could be that Rowley is trying to suck up to you using Pahoff!

The enemy of my enemy becomes my friend?

Stranger things have happened.

Perhaps you should give Rowley author status.

He's such a positive influence where ever he goes.

Such a delightful man.

10/10/07 10:05 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

As for Pahoff, Craig... been there, done that.

It's just hysterical that his antics here have vindicated this post.

Maybe he'll be back, maybe not... who cares?

Oh, thanks Harry, I'll stick with the Padre. If he's still interested after the Pahoffest.

10/10/07 10:11 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Berties' away, by the way, camping with the family (in case you'd missed that news).

10/10/07 10:12 PM  
Anonymous harry heidelberg said...

Whats the plural of nemesis?

Mostly people just have one don't they? I mean isn't that the whole idea?

This bloke has zillions of them!

Jay White, Paul Morella, Chris Parsons, David Davis, Harry Heidelberg, Geoff Pahoff, David Roffey (who we now learn has a personality like mine according to Rowley!)......and the list goes on and on!


10/10/07 10:13 PM  
Anonymous Dylan said...

Plural of nemisis is nemeses. :)

10/10/07 10:17 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Now we're edging into the rant end of the scale. But whatever.

I think I'll declare a yearly Pahoffest.

Could be 'cleansing' for the entire world...

10/10/07 10:20 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

You listed two people twice each, but left a few off the list:

"Noelene" the UNSW student who pretends to have coined the term "Multi-Culti".

Craig Warton and his obsession with the Schutzstaffel and no doubt which engines pulled what make of train carriages containing the people their leader was so interested in transporting with ruthless efficiency.

Mike Lyvers (perhaps) and his general dislike of anyone who spots his racist tendencies (let alone points out his various breaches of APS Ethics on your blog, David).

A. Mills - remember him, the guy who cast himself that ski club type from uni days always crapping on about trips to Chapieux from his base in the City of London after making another killing on the money markets. He hid behind pseudonyms when slurring others as well.

Daniel Smythe - didn't expect that one did you, David.

There's probably more. Anyone else want on my list of nemeses? Dylan?

10/10/07 10:55 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Just like old times...

10/10/07 11:05 PM  
Anonymous Dylan said...

Craig, I'm just on this thread to collect spellings of Pahoff, link to famous libertarians and provide plurals as demanded. :)

10/10/07 11:07 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

Jacob, there is great coincidence in you saying "It's just hysterical that his antics here have vindicated this post" when just today I saw something just like that.

Was reading this:

Spotted the second comment by the person feeling the need to hide behind the pseudonym: " U R a jackass faggot".


10/10/07 11:08 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Well, Dylan that's gotta be the killer line of the thread!

10/10/07 11:13 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

I really don't undestand your meaning, Craig.

QED... what?

10/10/07 11:15 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

Just pointing out that the second comment on is another example of the kind of antics that vindicate Jason Mill's article.

If you still think my segue was as vague as one of Anna Corin's then just consider my main motive in pointing it out was simply to share a cracker of an article.

I could never outdo Dylan's comment, and shall bid you all adieu.

10/10/07 11:37 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

No worries, Craig.

Don't be miffed, it's only that Dylan's light-hearted crack pleasantly capped off a, well, strange evening.

Goodnight thrill seekers!

10/10/07 11:46 PM  
Anonymous Harry heidelberg said...

Craig Rowley,

Break it down:

1. You have multiple nemeses;

2. You have been banned from my blog;

3. You have been banned from Webdiary; and

4. You issue threats.

One of the most bizarre aspects is your propensity to issue threats. You are the only person I've encountered online who does that and it makes you menacing. Your latest threat is toward Webdiary and it is documented in all its glory on the Lataan blog. If they don't do something, you'll publish your nonsense. Direct threat and standover tactic. Perhaps you should have been a trade union official. Any person with any gumption would never respond to a threat. I hardly expect Webdiary would given all you have said and done. Respond to a threat? You must be joking. Grow up. Get a grip. Then you dress up threats as part of dispute resolution. It's weird, bitter and twisted. You're weird, bitter and twisted. Petty, pedantic, puerile.

Kind regards,

David Davis

11/10/07 6:04 AM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...

Now it's my turn to cut and paste. This is from David Roffey, General Manager of Webdiary:

"The first half of September was characterised by a small blizzard of submitted comments, not-for-publication comments to the editors, and emails disputing this decision from Craig Rowley - 38 published, 26 not published (almost all for ignoring Margo's edict that we do not publish debate on the identity of other webdiarists), and 57 not for publication. Margo pointed out to Craig that Fiona and Richard were pretty much on their own, and she was too busy with Still Not Happy John to respond to the emails in particular, and to please try not to overload the editors until she had that time: this seemed to produce the exact opposite effect, and on 14 September she banned Craig from Webdiary for two weeks. Following Craig's email responses to that decision, Margo extended the ban indefinitely.

Over the next few days Craig created a number of other identities, including identity theft of at least one other real person. As noted above, this was at a time when both Margo and I were travelling and essentially off the net - me happily esconced in wineries and wildflowers around Margaret River, Margo travelling to Canberra for the SNHJ launch - and Fiona and Richard's equanimity and diligence over this period in the face of provocation have been praiseworthy (and are hereby praised)."

Poor old Fiona and Richard, eh? It must have been dreadful. Rowley created the noose for his own neck and there is a rich irony in the way all this has panned out.

11/10/07 6:50 AM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...

... and this is a cut and paste (now I see how Geoff does it) from Lataan's blog where Rowley threatens Margo.

"My hand is now being forced by what David (Roffey) has done with his attempt to hurt me and I'll have to take the whole story public just to defend myself against David's (Roffey) malicious misrepresentations.

There is still an opportunity to resolve this. All it takes if for you and David (Roffey) to do the right thing and act in a manner that is ethical, accountable and transparent. All it takes is a published statement by you acknowledging the truth and calling on David Roffey to retract the lies and offer an apology to me and the other people he has lied about."

Like all threats, it lays out the conditions where one person has to do something, otherwise the person issuing the treat will cause harm to the other.

As a sidebar, the slightly amusing aspect is the idea that he will "take the story public". Isn't that aspect laughable? One gets the impression that he has lost all sense of proportion. To take a story public it has to be a matter of public interest. The reality is the public could not care less about some obscure and pathetic little blog war. It's a bit how people talk about "publishing" things as if they were talking about a book, magazine or newspaper. Every day billions of meaningless words are written on blogs. They have no more significance that late night pub talk. "Take the story public". That's the threat? Really?

The day a blogger takes the story public of how he was excluded from a group blog (Webdiary).

I mean precisely WHO would care about this piece of trivia?

No one except for half a dozen blog tragics like us who find this trivia mildly amusing.

Takin' it public!

The Rowley Diaries!

It's the Latham Diaries Mark II

11/10/07 7:03 AM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...

Hang onto your segue. The perfect meme is forming in Rowley's head.

What a tosser. He's the reason Lataan went mad and Roffey left the left 30 years ago.

Oh and Rowley you will have to use surnames because there are two David's you have "issues" with.

It could get confusing for mere mortals to follow your contorted complaints.

11/10/07 7:47 AM  
Anonymous Alison Knox said...

"... when you slimed me at Harry's place with your sick fantasy about me licking Ross's arse."

Well jacob, if you had the self-discipline to leave that woman's arse alone no-one would be able to speculate about what you were doing with your head in there, would they?

11/10/07 11:01 AM  
Anonymous Alison said...

"your definitions of "racism" and "hatetalk" need a little work, too.

"The two are not identical.

"when you slimed me at Harry's place with your sick fantasy about me licking Ross's arse.

"That was "hatetalk".

"But it wasn't "racism"."

OK, jacob. I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Stuff like this:

"Look, Pahoff/Noxious, or whoever you are, you moron." "sockpuppets." "troll" "your own stupid slimy claims." "Anything else, Mister Slime?"

"If not, then fuck off."
"Joffa Boy" "I had to come back here to chase up some slime who was spewing bile"
"I'm happy to be out of here while ever a slime like Pahoff is given free run of the place"
"You have people here who slander whole people as "degenerate" but don't raise an eyebrow"

That's only "hatetalk", right?

11/10/07 11:25 AM  
Anonymous alison said...

Thank you for so many examples of what you speak

But please Mr jacob,

Help me out here. I've always thought that someone who "slander(s) a whole people as degenerate" was a racist. And someone who uses a term like "Joffa Boy" probably was too.

I can see you're an expert on hate and racism so could you give us a hand here so that we can get to grips with these difficult concepts

11/10/07 11:34 AM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

Oddly enough, sitemeter tells me that 'Alison Knox' has the same IP address as the 'Anonymous' twat who dumped Pahoff's 'Shotgun Stam' ditty on this thread yesterday.




Perhaps you can make another little ditty out of those words of yours, eh Goof?

Or perhaps a hate sonnet.

Now rack off, Pahoff.

11/10/07 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

Wow … I only half expected it, but turns out that David Davis really did wake up in the morning and angrily tap out the next instalment of his rant.

Now it has to be said that he's leaving us with the impression that he has lost all sense of proportion!

11/10/07 1:33 PM  
Anonymous Craig Rowley said...

And David's donning of the hypocrite hat once again to do a Pahoff paste up job is hilarious. Even more funny because it's on the issue he said he didn’t want to deal himself into. I know … I know … highlighting David’s hypocrisy is only pointing out the trivial, but it's at least mildly amusing and could keep half a dozen blog tragics entertained.

11/10/07 1:36 PM  
Anonymous alison said...

Well dearie dearie dearie me. Look what I found at Harry's. Admittedly with a little help from Paahoaf.

"Whatever, Geoff, no-one's denying anything. There's plenty of strands of madness all 'round. Or is this meant to be 'cute'?

Posted by: Jacob | Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 08:56

"Before noon, two civilians were killed during a protest held in Gaza City under the banner "Stop the Killing." Some 1,000 Palestinians marched in the city, calling for an end to the fighting, but when they approached a Hamas position, militants fired at the protesters, killing two."

Seems to me pretty clear where the hate is.

... a degenerate human civilisation off the rails and heading for oblivion.

Otherwise known as Islamofascism. It will crash eventually. Hate-driven dysfunctional political cultures gripped by deathcults, apocalyptic, closed belief systems and a savage, murderous, all consuming contempt for all others and objective truth always do. Cultures come and go. They are selected against as ruthlessly as a failed species experiment of nature.

The only question is how many human lives it will take in the meantime.

Posted by: Geoff Pahoff | Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 08:39


Well what can I say? Two weeks after the post Mr Jacob picked on with the "civilisation off the rails" comment which he twisted into "slandering a whole people" it seems the phrase came up again! And was its meaning was clearly laid out again! And Mr Jacob made it clear he was NOT DENYING geoff's point!

And yet four months later he twists it to make it look like a racist comment or hatespeak.

Tell me Mr Jacob. Don't you feel just a little .. ah .. tacky?

11/10/07 2:33 PM  
Anonymous alison said...

URL thingie here

11/10/07 2:36 PM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

But wait - there's more...

11/10/07 10:50 PM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...

It seems like there's always more.

Will this thing ever stop?

Evil prospers when ever Rowley is about.

Lataan is not taking his medication.

Father Park has gone walkabout.

13/10/07 1:29 PM  
Anonymous Jacob said...

I did say in the main post that "It ends here."

Time will tell.

Haven't checked out your place for a while because if I did it might turn into another bun fight. I'm fairly certain everyone's had more than enough of it all.

I'm guessing Father Park will return sometime this weekend. He may be horrified to find what's heppened here while he was away and seek a more convivial portal. Hope not, but I could understand if he did.

13/10/07 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Father Park said...

I believe I partially apologised for that outburst that so offended and then partially withdrew it.

Interesting. That would necessitate admitting what was said or done. An "apology" for a possibility is no apology even if it is "partially" withdrawn.

It's now uber territorial since Father Park decided to depart, taking with him Jacob and others and causing the original Club Chaos to implode.


I would suggest though that I took no one with me.

15/10/07 2:47 PM  
Anonymous Craig W said...

"Craig Warton and his obsession with the Schutzstaffel and no doubt which engines pulled what make of train carriages containing the people their leader was so interested in transporting with ruthless efficiency"

It is always nice to go looking at another site, observe the usual bunfights and of course to find a complete toss pot like Rowley slag off at you.

So lets clear a couple of things up for that pretentious prick shall we?

I am interested in WW2 German military history, particularly ground forces and that includes the army and the Waffen SS.
Do a little research on the SS moron and you might find it is a far more complex organisation than simplistic twits like you realise.

But of course why would you do that when you would rather take cheap shots about being a Nazi. The delicious irony that totally escapes you is that you spend most of your time defending countries that are far closer to nazism or fascism than those you rail against.

What ever.

So I pointed out errors in peoples postings? Big deal, would you prefer to let incorrect information stand? Actually when it suits you the answer is probably yes.

I am not terribly interested in German Railways, I model the Great Western Railway which is a UK railway. Funnily enough, I noticed that in one of your rants about me you mentioned wheel profiles.

I have never actually mentioned that term anywhere, so I am guessing you have done a fair bit of googling of my name to come up with that.

How wonderful for you that you feel that depth of obsession about someone. You know though Craig, I have not felt the urge to look you up at all. Ever.
You could vanish for all I care.

To everyone else, I hope you are all well - yes even you Jacob! I know you and Geoff dont see eye to eye on anything at all, but I dont mind either of you.

I miss your posts on Club Chaos Father Park, but am glad to see that you are still enjoying the fishing and talking to some beautiful King Parrots.

This blog stuff is all getting too hate filled for me, I am weary of seeing so much bitterness too others so i dont know how much longer I will post.

Sorry for the rant, I just felt like explaining a few things not that it will make a bit of difference of course

16/10/07 10:58 AM  
Blogger Jacob A. Stam said...

Even me, Craig? Well thanks, old chap, hope all's well with you too.

Don't know why you felt the need to explain yourself to CraigR, but then again maybe I do. I can certainly understand how one doesn't want to be misunderstood through being misrepresented by dickheads. But there comes a limit where one just thinks, Ah sod it...

Yeah, CraigR should burn that enemies list of his. Look where it got Nixon.

Anyway, I'm hopeful that the hate has been exorcised from this blog, so we can now move onward and upward. These threads will be sealed with a meme-resistant layer so that none of it can ever get out into the world again.

Cheers, CraigW, and feel free to drop by anytime.

No more hate. Promise.

16/10/07 12:45 PM  
Anonymous Craig W said...

Thanks for the kind words Jacob. he that shall not be named had another spray at me over at lucky Phils.I put up a short reply which resulted in a looong reply (two actually) that culminated in a threat of physical voilence if I have the ahem pleasure of meeting him.
I think he has a lot on his mind, maybe an enema would help.

I shall now move forward and look at more interestings things, and i promise to say hello at times!

16/10/07 1:26 PM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...


To be honest, I don't care very much.

16/10/07 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Harry Heidelberg said...


17/10/07 6:33 AM  

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